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Sonata 8, 'Pathetique' - III. Rondo Allegro by Daniel Veesey

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Sonata 8, 'Pathetique' - III. Rondo Allegro by Daniel Veesey is licensed under a Public Domain License.


ziamarina on 06/13/14 at 05:08PM
I love it ! ! ! Beethoven's Sonata n.8/III is just what i was looking for my free (!!!) graphic adventure game.
BUT... may i freely include it in the game only giving you appropriate credit, providing a link to the license,
and indicating if changes were made ?
Anyway thank you for your magnificent interpretation (and...your kind reply)
Arc1 on 11/07/14 at 09:51AM
I used this specific recording for my small game "Pathetic Evasion" and it was included in the gameplay trailer which I posted on YouTube. This resulted in a copyright claim from UMG (Universal Music Group).

I obviously filed a dispute with a link to this page but since this probably hasn't even been looked at by a human my dispute was simply denied.

I am still able to file an appeal though but before I do that I'll try switching the audio track with the recording that MusOpen has on their own website. I wonder if this makes any difference. I'll report back if it does, otherwise I'll file that appeal after all.
ziamarina on 11/07/14 at 02:20PM
Thank you so much for the information. I am very indignant. I do not understand what kind of copyright UMG can

claim ! The author, the divine Beethoven, died in 1872 and the executor, Daniel Veesey (bravo, bravo, bravo!), has

devoted his splendid interpretation to the public domain. Perhaps UMG has the copyright of the seven notes or of the

use of the piano...? BAH ! However, since I do not want hassles, I think I will use the midi of Sonata No. 8 "Pathétique"

(3rd Movement: Rondo) that I downloaded from It's not the same thing but... What a pity!
Arc1 on 11/07/14 at 07:18PM
I must say I think that is actually not a bad idea at all a midi version might suit a game quite well...

In regards to the copyright. As far as I understand the performance of any public domain work is copyrighted to the actual performer unless he or she announces the performance to be licensed otherwise. I could be very wrong though, I haven't studied this type of law extensively.

Anyway. in the case of the claim by UMG the performance that they hold the licence to is:
Beethoven: Piano Sonata No.8 in C minor, Op.13 -"Pathétique" - 3. Rondo (Allegro): Claudio Arrau

Now I'm definitely not instantly convinced that the recording featured here is actually the performance by Claudio Arrau, it does however make me cautious. I performed a quick search on Daniel Veesey, assuming an artist of this caliber likely has some internet presence apart from his recordings. All I could find at a glance are music performances and no written reference of this persons true existence as a musician.

Still this doesn't prove anything... but it does make me a bit suspicious.
ziamarina on 11/08/14 at 04:57PM
I agree! Better be careful. But, how did you find out that UMG hold the license of the Piano Sonata No.8 Performer: Claudio Arrau? I will use for my graphic adventure: Albinoni Oboe Concerto in Dm, Op. 9, no.2 Performer: Paul Arden-Taylor (I 've downloaded from Musopen). How can I be sure it's really in the public domain and that no one holds the license (and can give me problems in the future)? Thank you for your clarification, you've been a great help !
Arc1 on 11/08/14 at 07:01PM
Well I found out because I uploaded a gameplay trailer on youtube featuring the ingame music. There I received a copyright claim stating neatly which piece of music it was about and who they thought the performer was.

What I suspect is that all youtube videos are scanned by bots to find material which may potentially infringe copyrights. So since classical music itself is usually not restricted under copyright but many performances by artist are licensed to the publishers that published their works there is always a high chance that the bots of the publishers pick up on a tune.
I assume the bot can easily confuse different performances if the different artists play the same piece perfectly.
ziamarina on 11/09/14 at 06:06PM
Thank you, ARC1. You have suggested to me a great idea: I searched on YouTube Oboe Concerto in D minor by Albinoni and .... (God bless Paul Arden Taylor and YouTube!) there was written:
music used in this video:
Tomaso Giovanni Albinoni - Oboe Concerto in D minor (Op.9, No.2)
Concert recording Performer 1985. Paul Arden-Taylor
https: // -...
Paul Arden-Taylor
https: // ...
Composer Tomaso Albinoni
https: // ...
lisence: Public Domain Mark 1.0 !!!!! Hooray!
https: // ...
This work is free of known copyright restrictions !!!!! Hooray again!
Albinoni Oboe Concerto in Dm, Op. 9, no.2 Performer: Paul Arden-Taylor et cetera, et cetera.
I conclude, from this and from what you've told me, that I can use it safely in the intro of my adventure game (which takes place in Venice).
Well ! Now I have to find news about the Seventh Symphony of Beethoven (Allegretto). Let's hope for the best.
Thanks again and a thousand wishes for your game :)
Arc1 on 11/11/14 at 02:21AM
Thanks! Glad I could help you good luck with your game as well I'd love to get a link by the time you've published it.
ziamarina on 11/11/14 at 09:37AM
It will still take time ... but you can count on! Ciao :)
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